The Right To Speak Your Mind

So in LDS news recently and even making national waves is the excommunication of John Dehlin.

To me the Mormon faith in this latest action turns ever further to the stagnancy of orthodoxy like seen in other religions that promote their ideals as the only ones that God whole heartedly supports.

I have often said that religions are born in rebellion and die in orthodoxy. This is a repeated pattern throughout human history. The religion clings ever harder to its ‘doctrine’ until at some point all rational people dismiss it as simply silly. At which point the religion dies. This can take quite a while, but if the religion doesn’t change with the times, it does eventually die. Don’t believe me? How many people do you know that worship Zeus these days?

But I digress, the LDS church that Joe Smith started initially was highly upsetting to the status quo, it absorbed the latest scientific/religious/philosophical1 thinking of the day and presented those as its doctrine. (The whole indians are lost jews idea was pretty prevalent at the time, voila we have a book about that!) To one that studies the similarities of the scriptures relative to the writings of his time and place you see lots of these ‘coincidental’ stories and topics appearing in literature that were essentially canonized as scripture in the founding of the church. 2

Joe’s church was a rebellious religion, it flat out called all the other churches stupid, ok well just an abomination. They were sooooooo far off based that God needed to make a new one. At its outset Joe taught this:

“Mormonism is truth; and every man who embraces it feels himself at liberty to embrace every truth: consequently the shackles of superstition, bigotry, ignorance, and priestcraft, fall at once from his neck; and his eyes are opened to see the truth, and truth greatly prevails over priestcraft. …

“… Mormonism is truth, in other words the doctrine of the Latter-day Saints, is truth. … The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.”

You see questioning in the status quo was part and parcel with the beginning of this faith.

Other leaders reiterated its importance too.

“It is better not to have so much faith as to believe all the lies.”
Hyrum Smith, brother of Joseph Smith

“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.”
J. Reuben Clark

But there is talking the talk and walking the walk. Enter John Dehlin. He gets the boot, according to his stake president this is the reason:

“you have the right to speak your mind and to criticize the Church and its doctrines……you do not have the right to do so while remaining a member of the Church in good standing.” 3

So what gives? Can a person not criticize the church? The short answer? Yep. In fact you even make an oath in the temple to not criticize its leaders, oh and bonus for us 40 somethings that went pre 1990 that oath included a penalty of death.4

I would like the people who happen to read this blog and think this is ok to think about this deeply. Consider the same situation but from a slightly different perspective. If a person were kicked out of America for criticizing president Obama publicly would you think that was a reasonable thing? Is this the action of a religion dedicated to bringing all truth under its wing? Or is the action of a organization that would ban anyone that doesn’t tow the party line?

The facts are simple, John’s right to speak his mind never came from the church, it came from the nation he lives in. Ironically the right his church has to kick him out for contrary beliefs is also supported by that same nation.

The fundamental right to believe is sacrosanct in America, but the so is the right to criticize those beliefs. It is what makes our nation great, it helps us expose error and further progress! We can believe god is the white appliance in corner of the kitchen or that he is a racist jerk that segregates people by the color of their skin, we can even believe in no god at all, and our nation will protect those rights to believe or not. But the right to criticize and to question those positions is just as important. It’s what keeps us from becoming proles.

So John, sure the church has every right to kick you out of its club,5 but that doesn’t mean you should ever stop thinking independently. Thank Fridge you live in America.

john independent thought


  1. This tendency explains why you see quotes like this pop up “Joseph Smith described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style. In my patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and ‑‑ to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes. The first two promises have been fulfilled, and the latter may be verified. – Joseph SmithYoung Woman’s Journal, vol. 3, p. 263‑264 (1892)”. The more I look at it the more religion looks like Science Fiction for the era as much as anything else. Maybe one reason I loved this religion is because I love SciFi, or possibly the other way around 🙂
  2. Using the latest thinking to found a religion is actually pretty common. In fact we have an even more recent example with the Church of Scientology. Looking at how religions have formed historically is a fascinating topic, but only if you are a religious nerd. They have a lot in common with scifi nerds, something I also love. Have you seen firefly yet?
  3. In essence this is also the official position of the church for his ousting according to this release.
  4. If I disappear you know were to look. 🙂 Thank Fridge that blood atonement of apostates during the mormon reformation period is a thing of the past is all I can say.
  5.  IMO to its own detriment and longevity.
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  1. June 15, 2019

    Just as significant isn’t going on point when they makes his blessed draw out and takes your money.

  2. Hayden Hinkler
    December 21, 2015

    Great post. Some really good points in there. Cheers, have a great day

  3. Andrew
    February 11, 2015

    imho getting the boot out of an exclusive club is not a bad thing at all.Because then you are forever free from oppression and towing the party line as it were.You no longer trapped by comformity in order to belong especially when you know its wrong.The founding fathers of the United States under stood that principle.At the time they were traitors now they are great leaders and visionaries,funny that.In the words of the legendary Groucho Marx “I would never want to be part of a club that would have me as a member”.Keep up the good work John in time you will be vindicated.

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